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There has been a lot of confusion about the crown depth on the Remo Skyndeep heads, and which is the right one for your doumbek. I am a dealer of these heads (my supplier is Mid-East), and I would like to clear the air a little bit on this hopefully:
1. The diameter of the head is measured on the INSIDE of the head. Skyndeep doumbek head is available in 8", 8 23/32", 8 5/8" (8 20/32"), 9", 10", and 10" with 3/8" crown,10" with 3/4" crown, and 12" with 3/4" crown.
2. The crown measurement does NOT include the metal ring, and is the SAME on both the 8 23/32" AND the 8 5/8", which is a 3/8" (.95cm) crown. The reason that it seems like the crown is deeper on the 8 23/32" is that the head is a slightly larger diameter.
3. The 8", 9", and 10" all have a crown depth of 1/2", and are designed to fit the Remo Ergo series doumbeks exactly.
3. With the exception of the Remo ergo doumbeks, most of the Egyptian, Syrian, etc. drums will vary slightly from drum to drum. THis has caused much grief and tribulation for the doumbek owner. As you probably know, you often have to use heat guns and whatnot to make whatever head fit right. Therefore, its not the Skyndeeps that are inconsistent (as is often the case with the cheap mylar ones), but its that your doumbek is slightly different than another one from the same company. All I can suggest is that you measure carefully and patience is also recommended.
4. If you need a deeper crown, I recommend the Fiberskyn doumbek head. It has a crown (inside measurement) of 17/32" (the Skyndeeps are 12/32" = 3/8" = .95cm). The sound and feel of the Fiberskyn is not quite the same as the Skyndeep, but many people like the warmth and feel of it. They run slightly more expensive than the Skyndeep.
I hope this clears things up for you. I will gladly assist you in selecting the correct head for your doumbek. You can personally call me on my toll-free number in the US:
1-888-236-2237
Or, send me message through Tribe, or email me at EthnicSound@gmail.com
These heads and many more can be found at my business website:
www.globalmusicalinstruments.com/s...ml
1. The diameter of the head is measured on the INSIDE of the head. Skyndeep doumbek head is available in 8", 8 23/32", 8 5/8" (8 20/32"), 9", 10", and 10" with 3/8" crown,10" with 3/4" crown, and 12" with 3/4" crown.
2. The crown measurement does NOT include the metal ring, and is the SAME on both the 8 23/32" AND the 8 5/8", which is a 3/8" (.95cm) crown. The reason that it seems like the crown is deeper on the 8 23/32" is that the head is a slightly larger diameter.
3. The 8", 9", and 10" all have a crown depth of 1/2", and are designed to fit the Remo Ergo series doumbeks exactly.
3. With the exception of the Remo ergo doumbeks, most of the Egyptian, Syrian, etc. drums will vary slightly from drum to drum. THis has caused much grief and tribulation for the doumbek owner. As you probably know, you often have to use heat guns and whatnot to make whatever head fit right. Therefore, its not the Skyndeeps that are inconsistent (as is often the case with the cheap mylar ones), but its that your doumbek is slightly different than another one from the same company. All I can suggest is that you measure carefully and patience is also recommended.
4. If you need a deeper crown, I recommend the Fiberskyn doumbek head. It has a crown (inside measurement) of 17/32" (the Skyndeeps are 12/32" = 3/8" = .95cm). The sound and feel of the Fiberskyn is not quite the same as the Skyndeep, but many people like the warmth and feel of it. They run slightly more expensive than the Skyndeep.
I hope this clears things up for you. I will gladly assist you in selecting the correct head for your doumbek. You can personally call me on my toll-free number in the US:
1-888-236-2237
Or, send me message through Tribe, or email me at EthnicSound@gmail.com
These heads and many more can be found at my business website:
www.globalmusicalinstruments.com/s...ml
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 1:56 PMGreat information. Thank you very much!
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 3:31 PMJust put an 8" Skyndeep (from Global) on my 4-lug Raquy Doumbek. It fits and sounds just fine and seems to give a richer tone. It seems to tone down some of the high overtones, though, so I don't plan on replacing the head on my Souhail drum any time soon. I really like the ringy tecs and pops that I get out of that drum as well as the overall quality of sound with the original mylar. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 2:56 AMI´m waiting for a 8 5/8", a 9" and a 8.44" skyndeep from Ted, and I´m a bit confused because a friend told me that recently tried the 8 5/8" skyndeep in his geF and had very bad issues, he couldn´t put the head. I want to put this head on my GeF, the 9" is for the Ramzy drum and the 8.44" (fiberskyn) is for my Meinl.
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 8:34 AMI put the 8 23/32 on a GeF drum and it fits well. I had to stretch it just a bit using the iron and press cloth technique to get it tuned where I wanted but it's not too difficult to do, just go slowly and carefully. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 8:39 AMI put the 8 5/8 on my GeF, so I don't know what to say!
Hair-dryer heat was also necessary.
I put the 9" on a sumbaty and the crown was too deep tp tune up properly, so I had to shim it with the ring from an old head. Totally worth it for the sound!
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 10:40 AMClarification on the crown depths from Mid-East for Fiberskyn:
MFS2/ 8.44" diameter, the crown is 4/16"
MFS3/ 8 5/8" diameter, the crown is 7/16"
MFS4/ 8 23/32" diameter, the crown is 6/16"
Measurement does not include the metal ring.
Both the Skyndeeps (SD08-23, SD08-5), have the same crown, which is 3/8" (6/16") -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 11:01 AMI must be lucky because I use SkynDeep heads on all of my Egyptian derbekkis and they fit beautifully. I get the 8" (for the 4 lugger) and the 9" (for the simbati) from a discount musical instrument supplier for $16 a head and I get the 8 5/8" (for standard size Egyptian) from Mid-East for about $25 per head. I have also used one of the 10" Skyndeep heads on my 10" Turkish spun aluminum thin shelled darbukas with the external tunung bolts with good success. I wish they made the SkynDeep in 12" so I could use it on my larger one with the tamborine, but instead I use the thin Renaissance head which works fine.
I have reworked and dressed the rims and bearing edges on all of my drums so that they sound and perform better and perhaps it is for this reason that the heads fit better. I have also used the additional ring as a shim as Dave mentioned (That's an old trick that you sometimes have to use on the old Alexandria heads also).
Ted, the fiberskin heads are perfectly good heads for certain things, but they are a very poor substitute for the SkynDeep heads. They just don't sound and perform the same at all. They almost have that dull sound that you'd get from a cowskin conga head (good for a dhola, but not so good for a lead derbekki).
A good second choice of heads for those folks frustrated with the poor quality of the standard Egyptian heads, are the "Power Beat" heads. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 12:43 PMRemo does make a 12' skydeep head. I use one on my 12'' "jinglebeck" and love it. Item Code = SD12 on Mid-east's website. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 1:44 PM"Remo does make a 12' skydeep head. I use one on my 12'' "jinglebeck" and love it. Item Code = SD12 on Mid-east's website."
THANKS! You just made my day. I didn't know that they were making them for the big "jinglebeks" (love that word BTW, I will be using it!) -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 2:07 PMYeah, I have one on my Jinglebeck too and it is nice! -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 4:54 PMYes. SD12 is available (Remo Skyndeep 12" x 3/4" crown. I have it for $19.94 plus shipping (UPS ground in the US, no handling fee or profit made on shipping, you pay actual shipping costs). Here is the link to it:
www.globalmusicalinstruments.com/s...ml
Of course, you can get it directly from my supplier Mid-East if you feel like paying full price, which is $31.90. I carry all of these Skyndeep heads, and I think that you will find that my prices are just about the best you can get. A couple of Tribe users have realized this and have already ordered, saving themselves money. What about you? Stock up, I've got the best prices. Find it cheaper? Show me the link, I'll match it and knock off another $1.
A real musician serving musicians, this is what I am and this is what I do. Period. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 5:35 PMnow if they woudl just make a skyndeep for my standard egyptian Dahola.
also whast wierd is the syrian dumbek i bought is intersteresing I got the 8 5/8 skyndeep on it, but it realy needs a head with a Smaller crown. -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 7:41 PMFriend of mine out here in Southern California is having a few custom made for his dohola. A Skyndeep, and a Ren head I think is what he said. Some advantages to living next to one of their big demo stores... -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 10:00 PMse if you can get teh part number from him on the skyndeep dahola head they give you one when they make custom heads so youc an reorder it least the used to ) im in delaware so kida far away ) -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 10:10 PMI just ordered an 11" for my super daholla. Hope it fits!
(the diameter is right)
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 11:12 AMI have done quite a few regular size drums with either of the available fake fishes, and both the Sumbatis that I had accepted the 9" fake fish with no problems. Someone here recently said that the bearing edge on the Ramzy was slightly too something to fit the 9" skyndeep...
I am in the process of working on some old '94 alex shells and had to dremel out the underside of the rim where the bolts go thru as none of the heads that I have - even the ones from the mid 90's, nevermind the skyndeeps - would fit into the space... -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sat, October 3, 2009 - 7:07 AMHi Tribe.
Yesterday, I had the opportunity of seeing and touching a real skyndeep (I never saw one before except photos).
Wow, they are really ugly! I mean, they look like a photo printed in a cheap paper with a crappy desktop printer and pasted to the doumbek head. I expected a better finish from Remo. Don´t you think it could be improved?
However, I liked the sound very much, is really like fish skin, and I can´t wait to receive mine and put them on muy doumbeks. But, the aesthetic... wow. :-( I am really disappointed. Maybe could I put out that graphic and the Remo logo with some alcohol? Somebody tried?
The owner of the darbuka agreed with me but said that he is more concerned about the sound, no matter if the head has a windows xp wallpaper printed on it.
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sun, October 4, 2009 - 9:06 PM"Wow, they are really ugly! I mean, they look like a photo printed in a cheap paper with a crappy desktop printer and pasted to the doumbek head. I expected a better finish from Remo"
You mean you like the look of the clear or blue plastic better with that ugly white screen printing on it? -
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 12:28 AMHi Jeffrey.
Absolutely not!, I don´t prefer the mylar with the Alex or Gef logo. But I think that, for example, the Remo fiberskyn has a more natural finish. The point is that when you look a skyndeep a bit closer, you can actually see it is a photography.
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 3:38 PMSo I know a little acetone resting on the silkscreen logos of mylar heads takes them right off, GeF, Alaxandria,, and Souhail so far. But the remo head did not seem to be the same sortat thing. The head I had did not belong to me so I didn't try for very long, but I don't think that they will clear up.
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sat, October 3, 2009 - 7:32 AMHi Ted,
thank you very much for the info indeed. Unfortunately I'm one of those who lives in Europe and uses cm's and m's as measurement. Would you kindly tell us the measurements in cm's? That would be very helpful...
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Sun, October 4, 2009 - 8:53 PMSorry for forgetting that the US is the only country in world that doesn't use the metric system, which is so ridiculous I know. So, here are the conversions for all you in the rest of the world. By the way, I do ship all over the world, so please contact me and I will get you a shipping quote. USPS Priority International seems to always be the cheapest and has been reliable thus far.
SD08-23 Remo Skyndeep doumbek head 8 23/32" = 8.72" = 22.15 cm diameter (inside measurement). Crown = 3/8" = .375" = .9525 cm (crown measurement does not include the metal ring)
SD08-5 Remo Skyndeep doumbek head 8 5/8" = 8.625" = 21.91 cm diameter. Crown is the same (.9525 cm)
These seem to be the most popular sizes for these Skyndeeps for the doumbek. Let me know if you need any other conversions. These are moving fast (11 to Mexico tomorrow, 5 to Spain last week, etc.) so don't wait until we are out of stock!!
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Re: Remo Skyndeep heads
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 3:42 AMHey!!
Great help. i just sent you an e-mail from Spain enquiring about shipping costs for skyndeeps and one riq....
Thank you for this info
Juankar
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