Fast Hands

topic posted Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:50 PM by  Peter
I just exchanged some emails with this drummer, Faisal Zedan, on youtube and he is not using a split finger technique. Fast hands in my book!

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Peter
Florida
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:04 PM
    He is a member here on tribe and an absolutely wonderful drummer. That is Arabic technique as opposed to the split finger which is a new entry in the Turkish style and technique. Faisal is Syrian I believe (maybe Lebanese) and plays with the technique typical of drummers from that area. That is the style of drumming that I like the most. It's all good, but there are differences. Thanks for sharing that.
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    Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:23 PM
    Very clean. I like the turkish style too but sometimes it's refreshing to see this style because of it's clean and powerful phrasing which I think is better overall for dancers too. There is definitely a place for both in my book.
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      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:23 AM
      yeppers. faisal is da man. nice guy, great teacher, phenomenal player.
      he also has learned and plays 'split finger' technique very well. he seems to be fluetn in many styles. i like that about him.
      rock on faisal!
      • Re: Fast Hands

        Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:51 AM
        yeah, ditto that about faisal. really nice guy, technically very advanced and also a very musical drummer. he was just here in portland a couple of weeks ago and taught a very informative class. he can do the split finger style very well, but was demonstrating some rather incredible speed with his lef t ring finger. the damn thing was moving so fast you could barely see it. as i recall, he was telling us that some syrian guys in la have worked on developing a kind of new style of using really fast multiple kas. was really cool. he obviously can explain it infinitely better than i can, so hopefully he posts here. if you get a chance to see him play or take a class from him, i would recommend you do it. and also, he is less doctrinaire than some about styles, so he is good about helping people mix and match playing techniques as long as they are compatible.
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          Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:14 AM
          Heh....."doctrinaire"......
          • Re: Fast Hands

            Tue, April 15, 2008 - 8:51 AM
            He has clean and controlled intervals, style, finesse, yummy technique, and musicality (doesn't hurt that his Tribe posts are always polite and informative). What more could you want? :-) I love the way he plays. Thanks for sharing the link! Rock on Faisal!
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 11:54 AM
    Thanks for posting this. I was going to but got sidetracked. Faisal is too humble to let anyone know he put these up. Regarding the comment on the thread about Faisal's hands moving so fast you can't see them, the trick is he is not moving his hands...he is making it happen by brain power alone.
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:33 PM
    Totally awesome playing! Very nice all around, and clean as heck.

    He is doing split finger some in the last part, if I'm correct; at the end. Those really fast fills during the last 1/4th of the video.
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      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:36 PM
      Starting at 1:05...just a little bit...a sweet bit of spice added to the sauce....
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        Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:42 PM
        ah, i just watched. yeah totally. he is doing the toykish 'splits'! in combo with the arabic it seems to me.
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          Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:12 PM
          yeah, he would at times switch back and forth between techniques during the class. one of the other things he went over with us was working on playing a basic rhythm with the dominant hand and then embellishing over the top with the other hand. just before the one minute mark he starts playing a basic maksoum with his right and then plays over that with the left. its part way through that section where he starts with the split finger stuff. looks easy when he does it, is a total mess when i try to do it!
          • Re: Fast Hands

            Tue, April 15, 2008 - 3:34 PM
            HeHe!

            I've been accused of having "fast hands" on quite a few occasions.

            AND

            Nevik,
            NEVER, and I mean NEVER, use the word Yummy when referring to anything about another man!
            Got it?
    • Re: Fast Hands

      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 5:09 PM
      He told me he wasn't, but maybe he forgot!
      • Re: Fast Hands

        Tue, April 15, 2008 - 5:37 PM
        Actually ......I think thats just a double drag (left hand double ka, Not Turkish doubles) Issam does these as well very clean and tough to do that way (clean that is)
        • Re: Fast Hands

          Tue, April 15, 2008 - 5:48 PM
          You are correct. There were no "Turkish Doubles" in that performance. There were rapid double kas and a ring finger/middle finger roll.
          I love his playing. He is masterful and joyful at the same time.
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:18 AM
    Hello everybody,
    Thank you so much for your beautiful words. I just wanted to answer back to the questions about what you saw in the video. I am playing double strokes ONLY with my ring finger. The double Ka on the ring finger of the left hand is a popular style throughout the Arab world and it is especially played in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. Most of the Arab drummers of this age are playing this style. It is very effective in highlighting the QARSHI movement (a three stroke roll plus a single Tek and a single Ka at the end). For the last 20 years a few Syrian drummers developed this QARSHI movement further and made a whole roll out of it. I did not demonstrate that roll in the video on Youtue, but I will be posting some videos soon of my friends Haitham Ballat and Bashar Daghlawi. Haitham and Bashar are two of the drummers in Syria and Lebanon who developed this movement and it is really very powerful . Their style over all deserves to be introduced to the drumming community in the states. Just to let you know, if you thought I was playing fast rolls, those guys play even faster . I regard them in a higher caliber than me and I always look up to their playing.
    Thank you all again and I am grateful I can play and make people happy about my playing.
    Faisal
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      Wed, April 16, 2008 - 12:25 AM
      Thanks for clarifying Faisal. I hadn't been able to detect any "split finger" playing in the video but thought it best to leave it to you to resolve. I very much enjoyed your recent performance with Eliyahu and Qadim in Portland. I wish I could have attended your workshop! Take care, i look forward to the videos that you will post.
    • Re: Fast Hands

      Wed, April 16, 2008 - 5:14 AM
      thanks faisal! but.... not having studied arabic technique much please allow me a question more or two. ;)

      are you saying in that video you are never using any other finger but the ring finger for ka? no middle or index finger at all ?

      maybe it's the angle of the camera but it looks like you are using this double stroke ka mixed with the qarshi technique. maybe next time if the camera was straight at the drum instead of to the side that might help.

      also, in my experience her in turkey, it seems like the turkish double stroke is basically the same as the qarshi technique, only leading from the index finger usually. by words alone it is really hard to understand. i think the darbuka / tablah vocabulary needs to be universified! we all say different words but often mean the same thing OR say the same words and mean different things!! ugh.

      it would be really great if you could do another quick video that clarifies what you are explaining - but done slowly! ; ). like show us your single finger double stroke ka style, the qarshi technique, and the turkish style all in one video. pretty please?!

      thanks for all you do for us!
      • Re: Fast Hands

        Wed, April 16, 2008 - 11:53 AM
        hey David,
        I was using my ring finger all the time to make that sound. I know that the camera really doesn't show a good view of the hand movement.
        You are right about the QARSHI (we call it this name in Syria), it is the same movement you do with split finger also, plus the old Arabic way of two fingers but starting from the ring to the index.
        I will be happy to post a video to show that movement done in three ways, double strokes on ring, Arabic two finger strokes and Turkish split finger.
        Thanks David,
        Faisal
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          Wed, April 16, 2008 - 2:10 PM
          ONE FINGER?! WOW! i mean, WOWZY WOWZY WOO WOO !!! i know a woman in oregon who studied in lebanon and she uses only one finger like this, she is amazing, i was floored when i saw it at first. but she doesn't have this extreme speed. i would have thought the speed with which you do it was impossible.

          you would be my personal hero if you posted a video showing these techniques when you have the time. thanks a lot man.
    • Re: Fast Hands

      Wed, April 16, 2008 - 11:53 AM
      Hey, great! I love it!

      If that's all single-strokes using the same finger at the end, then BRAVO! Very well done. You deserve far more attention than you get! ;:^)>
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:11 AM
    OK.
    Last night Donovan uploaded a short video of Haitham Balat playing, it is the segment were he is playing that movement that I mentioned in my posting. he is doing it fast and the quality of the video is not high, so it might not be clear what is he doing.
    You can type his name in the search box .
    • Re: Fast Hands

      Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:46 AM
      Who teaches this very fast double-Ka syrian technique in the states? I would love to get some one on one instruction on how to do this....
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        Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:52 AM
        I have been teaching it for a while now since it has to be taught really slow, it is a simple movement, but the application takes time.
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        Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:53 PM
        I could be wrong but Issam Houshan does this technique, but he calls it Ra Ta Ta. You have to do it so fast that it sounds like a Ra Ka Tak, or finger roll.

        What floored me was that Issam told me he can't do Ra Ka Taks. His style when doing finger rolls is to do Ra Ta Ta.
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          Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:27 PM
          Yes Ignatius, Issam does the same roll, The name I call it (QARSHI) is a popular non academic term we use among our selves in Syria, Egyptian has a similar term for the same movement. The sound of it is Ra Ta Tak or Ra Ka Tak.
    • Re: Fast Hands

      Thu, April 17, 2008 - 10:40 AM
      The link to the video of Haitham is here: www.youtube.com/watch

      You actually ned to search under iqaat not Haitham's name though the video title clearly has his name in it..
      • Re: Fast Hands

        Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:41 PM
        Wow! That video is amazing. That is some of the fastest (and very musically tastey) non-split finger playing I've seen. I've got to learn that technique (and then practice it 12 hour a day for 5 years!)
      • Re: Fast Hands

        Fri, April 18, 2008 - 10:56 AM
        I finally figured out how to do watermarks and make flash video.
        (no comments from the peanut gallery on how long it took, I did ask for assistance)

        I'll be posting more and re-uploading my video collection as I get around to it.

        Full versions or compilation clips of some of the videos will be available to purchase where the artists said it was OK. I'm not doing it for money just to support the site and getting more videos, so barter and video trades will be accepted.

        Cheers,
        ~Donavon
        www.iqaat.com
  • Re: Fast Hands

    Fri, April 18, 2008 - 3:15 AM
    My sirian teacher, Tarek Iaeni here in Madrid plays this fast double ka and it´s just amazing, really sounds like a machine gun RA TA TA... He tells me the way to achive it it´s practice double, triple ka all the time.

    Here is a video of him

    www.youtube.com/watch

    • Re: Fast Hands

      Fri, April 18, 2008 - 8:29 AM
      Wow, that's one of the best ones I've seen in awhile. Not just speed (aka "white noise" as Jeffrey called it) but taste and musicality. That's awesome.