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Kuwaiti
Was offered up without an attempted standard definition.
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 12:40 PMAre you referring to Sout (or Sawt)? -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:11 PMI'm not referring to anything. As I said, it was offered up in an earlier discussion for inclusion. Just the name, nothing else. I don't know what rhythm it's supposed to be.
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 9:41 PMThere are, as far as I am aware, two Souts, one in 6 and in 8. I have to check on the 6, but the 8 gets played usually:
D - - T - D - T , sometimes with an accented T on the third beat. -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 10:32 PMHey Mark,
That looks like Razba, which is what is used in the beginning of Zail Howa. -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 11:33 PMThanks, Ignatius, I'll check that out, never thought of the beginning like that, and get back to you. I'm pretty sure the feel and embellishments are different, but that pattern may be there. -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 12:02 AM
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 5:26 PMHey Mark,
It occured to me last night there is a 3/4 or 6/8 rhythm that is the same accent pattern as Rasba but different feel call Ock Rook. I think it's Romany, Turkish or Persian.
www.khafif.com/rhy/rhymidi.cgi
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:50 PMIssam has it on his rhythm cd. I asked him once if Kuwaiti was an English name for the rhythm or was there a proper Arabic name and he reckoned it was called Kuwaiti.
Have no idea of the time signature but to my ear sounds like this
D--D--D--S-S-S-
On the BDSS dvd Issam plays it in his drum solo which sounds like this.
www.khafif.com/rhy/rhymidi.cgi -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 9:17 PMi thought that was an Iraqi debke beat. -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 9:21 PMYeah, that looks like a variation on Choybi / Shabbi (not certain of spelling) which makes it an Iraqi beat. -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 10:06 PMI'm playing around with the midi player. I think the kuwait is a 4/4 if I put back the rest I lobed off and stick it in the middle
D--D--D---S-S-S-
www.khafif.com/rhy/rhymidi.cgi
This is Chobi, I don't think it's related. Not enough doums
D-D-D-S-D-kS-kS-
www.khafif.com/rhy/rhymidi.cgi
I thought Kuwaiti looks more like a slower variation of Bambi -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 2:45 PMOK, so we've had about four rhythms mentioned here and not one qualifies as a Kuwaiti rhythm of any sort? Wow! I don't recall who suggested this rhythm or I'd hit him up for an explanation.
So now I have to ask: the rhythms you folks have mentioned here--are they common enough to be included in a lexicon? Or should be common enough to be included?
If so, the typical questions then apply, such as what common name do they appear as (whether accurate or not) and what name should be associated (if the common name is inaccurate)? -
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Re: Lexicon: Kuwaiti
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 5:23 PMKuwaiti is
D--D--D---S-S-S-
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