So, in Turkey, "karsilama" is any type of 9/8 rhythm?

That's sorta like the celtic drummers, who for them call anything in 6/8 a "jig", unless it's real slow, and then sometimes they'll call it a waltz.

I didn't think you were confrontational at all. From what I learned in Turkey ( with Folk Tours teachers Tayyar Arkdeniz and Bulent Kurtisoglu) Karsilama is a greeting dance that is in 9/8. But that doesn't mean that all 9/8 rhythms are called Karsilama. None of the Roman musicians at the festival referred to 9/8 as Karsilama, in fact they just call it Roman. Agir Roman is the heavy slow variety. Anyway, here in Israel we just refer to it as 9/8, this is always true :)

I just took a workshop on Karsilama at the World Rhythm Festival from Lara Triback (a delightful teacher) and she had dozens of variations. Some were 2-2-3-2, some were 3-2-2-2, some were 2-2-2-3, etc.

Hey! When I get to Istanbul, we can play as many variations as you can stand! This is my particular area, so I've got Karsilamas from all over. There are tons of variations that may fit into the same countig pattern, ut are their own distinct beat. There's one that's really common in Edirne-style Roman oyun havalari(because it works very well with the top-hand Cubuk, or stick with Darbuka) that really grooves! Plus we'll do the the backup patterns that the dohola player does that counter some of the harbi Trakya karsilamas; insanely grooving stuff.

There is always that confusion aout Karsilama because of the traditonal dances where the two lines face each other(thus, Karsilama, from Karsimak, meaning "to meet" or "to come faceto face"). The standard dance is "9/8", and generally is an anatolian thing...dum taka dum taka dum taka tak tak. Then you have all the other variations, mostly played by the Romanlar(who play all different forms of Turkish music). They probably spread the use of Karsilama for 9/8 rhythms...that's just a guess. Just about every Turkish keyboard has 9/8s of every kind. All called Karsilama, proably most of the keyboard guys are Roman too! ;:^)>

I live in Karsilama; if I couldplay only that, I would. The crooked dum/tek melody of a Karsilama tickles my bones.

as far as i know, just this one:

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