Bandaged Drummers

topic posted Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:07 AM by  Dave
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I often see doumbek players with bandages wrapped around various fingers. I've never required anything like that. Is it a secret technique for getting sharper sounds, or are they playing so much they split their fingers. Am I not playing hard enough?
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Dave
Oregon
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  • Re: Bandaged Drummers

    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:30 AM
    If I play for an extended period, a couple of hours or so, occassionally I'll bruise one of the little bones on the last joint or the middle joint of one of my fingers on my dominant hand. Since I cultivated the soft pop-slap, I've done that less and less, because I'm not needing to accent the tek on the rim. I'll tape that finger if I do bruise it. This also applies to when I play the djembe a lot. There's no getting around that nasty rim without it. I've seen Souhail tape the same finger when he plays for 2 hours on Friday night followed by two 2 hour classes and then another 2 hour show on Saturday night.
  • Re: Bandaged Drummers

    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:15 AM
    I have only seen this with d'jembe players too and figured because they hit their drums really hard.

    I have also seen people use some sort of hand cream too when about to play their drums. What is up with that? ;)
    • Re: Bandaged Drummers

      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:45 AM
      You learn real fast not to hit the rim hard on a djembe, if you have two brain cells to rub together. This is something conga players learn, too. Or, you get blood built up in your hands which causes myoglobin to clog your kidneys, from what I've heard. I've heard some folks use hand cream to keep their skin from splitting. My cajon teacher suggested this. He hits the drum real soft, but the thing is made from wood, after all. I've never played so much that I've split the skin.
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 12:06 PM
        Well, I must be in the market for another brain cell, then, because there's been a few gigs where things really started to get going and I had a djembe-digit interface.

        I fought the drum and the drum won...
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 1:00 PM
        Thanks for that info. I just thought they were using Souhail Kaspar's designer hand lotion or something ;)
        (I can not believe he put up with me! He is truly a master! master of patience!)
    • Re: Bandaged Drummers

      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 1:24 PM
      One of my djembe friends uses hand cream. When he doesn't, his hands dry out (we live in the high desert). I've seen his palm get white lines when it dries out. The hand cream is also good for the djembe head. When playing djembe, I've learned to keep my thumb up, or the side gets sore, and not to smack my knuckles on the rim. My buddy has split his finger on his djembe, but he really smacks it hard.

      I've never played doumbek for more than two hours straight. But I still have trouble with the concept of hurting myself on a doumbek, because you don't typically play it as hard as a djembe. You don't have arm motions as big, and as much momentum / force built up. Maybe it's just older drummers who need the bandages because they aren't as resilient?
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 2:22 PM
        I don't know, Dave, but I can smack a tek on a doumbek just as hard as I can on a djembe. Doesn't mean I do, or have to. :-)

        I learned about broken blood vessels in my fingers from when I was a raw beginner playing on a MidEast ceramic. I'm originally a melody musician, and accents were already well understood when I started playing doumbek. I wanted my accented teks to be significantly louder than regular ones, and you have to hit the rim of those drums with the bone on your middle finger to get them to ring. Uh, bad idea. So, I taught myself the pop-slap to save my hand, b/c my teacher didn't want me to slap. I withstood his nasty looks in class, and I had a happy hand. Happy hands are priceless.

        By the way, the rim of a riqq is many times sharper than a doumbek's or djembe's. I'm more likely to break a blood vessel on my riqq, especially when I'm playing a fast counter rhythm or fellahi. That's why I have white trainers' tape and bandaids in my bag.

        Dustin, I had already broken Souhail in for you 5 months earlier. :-)
  • Re: Bandaged Drummers

    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 3:52 PM
    I can say that when you are trying to play the drum solo at a ren fair over top of people playing other drums really loud to draw in the crowd you tend to beat the living crap out of your hands. Therefor to be able to keep playing 5 shows each saturday and sunday you use Band-Aids, fabric ones because they do not tear easily. Also the pad in the band-aid helps more as well. As for the cream, when you are sweating you ass off outside in the texas heat you tend to dehydrate, your hands go dry faster because again you are beating the crap out of them. I am so glad i do not have to do that anymore, as much fun as it was. my hands are in better shape.
    • Re: Bandaged Drummers

      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 6:40 PM
      From what I understand, the natural skins on djembes can leech the moisture out of your hands, so drummers typically use shea butter (also found in Africa) to prevent their hands from splitting. Normally we could ask Jeffery but he's not talking to us anymore.

      I've never had to use tape for darbuka. But then again, it could be because I hit like a girl. (Which, according to my little brothers, can be pretty hard).
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:35 PM
        "From what I understand, the natural skins on djembes can leech the moisture out of your hands, so drummers typically use shea butter (also found in Africa) to prevent their hands from splitting."

        That's absolutely correct. It is the same with natural heads on derbekkes as well. I always use shea butter on my hands before and after I play and I have no problems. I can still buy large blocks of natural shea butter at the African markets or the Arabic markets here in NY. Unfortunately, places like The Body Shop have found out about shea butter and it's causing the price to rise (I have enough to last me the rest of my life because I have purchased so much in bulk).

        "Normally we could ask Jeffery but he's not talking to us anymore. "

        Am TOO ! :)

        You don't get a clearer louder sound by hitting so hard you hurt your fingers. Good technique will give you a louder sound on all hand drums and you don't have to hit that hard. Taped fingers is a cheap trick employed by drummers to compensate for bad technique. (The exception is when it is a bandage over an actual injury)
        I am always amused when little ladies with tiny hands and good technique stand out over big brutes that are walloping their drums and getting harsh distorted noise.
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Fri, June 5, 2009 - 11:09 PM
          Keep those Africans away from your local health food stores. On sale at my local one: organic shea butter, 4 oz for $24. You can buy real Kona coffee for less.
    • Re: Bandaged Drummers

      Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:17 PM
      This is why at the last ren faire my wife and I did -we brought our battery powered amps.
      Makes life easier when you are on the lead percussion and can actually be heard over everyone else (for once!)

      It also makes it easier for me to tell others "Go ahead and sit in, follow along and I'll nod for changes" knowing they will get lost and off beat rather quickly unless they ARE experienced Middle Eastern percussionists.
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Sun, June 7, 2009 - 8:00 PM
        You guys and your Ren Fairs! I just avoid the whole problem by avoiding those fairs! HUZZAH! ;D

        I just will not hit the drum that hard unless it is necessary and that is only for a short time (like if I am playing for a dancer in a restaurant that does not have a P.A. and it is just one song). I have learned my lessons in playing too loud because I was at a drum circle or something like that (say, a Ren Fair or some SCA thing). I already have problems with my wrists, so I avoid doing any more damage when I can. It is not that I am stuck up and will not play at these circles, it's just that I do not bother with playing loud (these are great times to experiment with solo phrases, because no one can hear you! ;)

        BTW, what would happen if your finger was cut and you tried to play the d'jembe? Would it start sucking the blood from that wound? That thought will keep me awake all night now!
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 8:45 PM
          Ditto here. It's a hard learned lesson. I just stop drumming sometimes and ask myself why it is that I am working so hard to be heard? If its that much work, it isn't fun anymore.
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Sun, June 7, 2009 - 8:51 PM
          "BTW, what would happen if your finger was cut and you tried to play the d'jembe? Would it start sucking the blood from that wound? That thought will keep me awake all night now! "

          Well, you see, it's like this. West African djembes have natural heads (usually goatskin or antelope skin). Traditional derbekkes have either fish-skin or goatskin heads. Latin American drums (like congas or bongos) have natural skin heads (usually cow hide). When you play these instruments vigorously, the natural skins like to absorb the natural oils and moisture from your hands (not necessarily blood). Drummers (as well as artist's`, ceramists, and bakers) know to keep their hands moisturized so their hands won't crack. Working out in the cold all day long and in very dry climates can also hurt your hands (and feet).

          If you should already have an injury (like a split in your finger) constant playing will aggravate the wound and it will open up and start bleeding (from the activity more than the natural head) and it is best to keep the wound tightly covered.

          I keep forgetting that there are so many new drummers that have only played on plastic heads.
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 12:21 AM
          "BTW, what would happen if your finger was cut and you tried to play the d'jembe? Would it start sucking the blood from that wound? That thought will keep me awake all night now!"

          An authentic djembe is made out of wood and skin, gifts from two forms of life that provided the material. Many drummers honor their drum by remembering the sacrifice that made their drum possible. Some drummers take it a step further. Haven't you wondered about those drummers who played twice as fast, twice as loud, twice as musically as everyone else? What magic made this possible? It's because they "feed" their drum by giving blood to it, which the living materials absorb. These drums are alive with the spirit of the goat and the spirit of the tree, and they infuse the player with ageless knowledge of rhythm and technique that make these masters better than all others. Or not. :)
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    Re: Bandaged Drummers

    Fri, June 5, 2009 - 12:49 AM
    Whenever my skin splits real bad and I need to heal completely by the following morning, I use Estee Lauder lip balm that comes in a small squeeze tube. Just apply a dab on the spot and work it in. I have woken up the following morning and not remember that I had an ouchee the night before......I was amazed.
    • Re: Bandaged Drummers

      Mon, June 8, 2009 - 2:21 AM
      you want to be heard at a drum circle? Take a cowbell
      • Re: Bandaged Drummers

        Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:15 AM
        I think that if a few of the best drummers would get together and nominate a facillitator for structured drum jams, they wouldn't suck so bad. But most people would rather bitch and moan than take the responsibility and do something. And when someone steps up into the vacuum, maybe the other drummers would show up and support her or him, instead of "hammering down the nail that sticks up", or just ignoring them.

        Maybe it could start in the drum classes where dynamics, etiquette, orchestration and musicality would be taught, instead of how best to express the ego.
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 7:18 AM
          Oh and on the cowbell, there's a way to play them so they fit in, listen e.g., to the agogo bell in Jamal Mohammed's "Amazing Grace", on his Beledi CD. The rhythm thereof is an afro-cuban pattern called Bembi.
        • Re: Bandaged Drummers

          Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:03 AM
          "I think that if a few of the best drummers would get together and nominate a facillitator for structured drum jams, they wouldn't suck so bad. But most people would rather bitch and moan than take the responsibility and do something. And when someone steps up into the vacuum, maybe the other drummers would show up and support her or him, instead of "hammering down the nail that sticks up", or just ignoring them. "

          It's obvious that you have outgrown drum jams and you just don't know it yet. Once you realize that you have outgrown drum jams, you can occasionally go back to them and enjoy them for a bit (so long as you don't try to make music). They exist for average folks and absolute beginners to get together and try to create a rhythm as a group. Just like a sing-a-long or when the congregation sings hymns at church (it's not exactly a professional choir).
          The drum jams don't have to "grow-up" to meet your level, they can't. They are already serving their purpose and you are about to realize that you don't fit anymore. (sometimes it takes a while). It took me a while to realize it and after a while I realized that I was like the big kid hanging around the old elementary school trying to play on the swings. It's time to move on. You can always go back, but when you do, you go as a featured performer or a facilitator or you just go and help them hold that simple 4/4 "Shaman" beat.
          • Re: Bandaged Drummers

            Mon, June 8, 2009 - 9:10 AM
            Well said., Jeff. I used to go to 2 to 3 drum circles per week and would eagerly anticipate playing. Now, I avoid them like the plague because they can be so amazingly bad. Three hours of 2/4 mush just gets to you after a while!
          • Re: Bandaged Drummers

            Mon, June 8, 2009 - 3:53 PM
            The drum circle in OKC is in the "arts" section of town every Friday (The Peseo), and the very brave lady who organizes that (for lack of a better term) is always trying to get me or three other drummers to try and lead it... but it is just more than anyone can handle. There are two other "serious" middle-Eastern drummers that go there and three really good African d'jembe players there to, which is too bad, but we all have learned to just go with the flow and let it be... dude. ;) The rest of the drummers live up to really bad stereotypes.. but they always bring good booze, so I don't care!

            I personally do not want to lead a drum circle like this one because it is what it is and there are people that go to it that know I am really into middle-eastern drumming and know how to get ahold of me if they want a different kind of drum jam (it has only happen once).

            In the mean time, I just show up once a month and hang out and not really care if I am not heard.

            P.s. cowbell rules!
            • Re: Bandaged Drummers

              Mon, June 8, 2009 - 4:03 PM
              I "facilitate" a drum circle. Ours plays African and (since I've started) Middle-Eastern and jam rhythms. We like to promote call-and-response and "trading 4s" and leaving space in a rhythm. These tools help to leave a place where even doumbeks can be heard. We also work on dynamics like slowing down or (gasp!) reducing the volume. We encourage beginners, so we can bring 'em up right. :)

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